Worth upgrading to GT 730?

RichardPGoulet

Hi everyone!

I am currently running a Core 2 Duo e8600 at 3.33 ghz, 4gb ram, with Radeon HD 5450 (1gb vram). Almost everything runs perfectly at native res including Game Cube, but some wii titles have minor stuttering here and there. Visually, it's slightly noticeable, but it's obvious in the audio.

I am looking to get a GT 730, but when I tested out Batocera on my laptop (i7 4700mq with GT 750 2gb) the performance was horrible. I assumed this was because Batocera didn't support 7 series, but this is mobile so not really the same. Another thought is perhaps Batocera was defaulting to the Intel integrated GPU instead of the 750.

In any case, do you guys think it's worth going from HD5450 to GT 750? Would it be better to get a motherboard that can overclock the e8600? I can also get a 1030, but it seems GTX 10 series does not work (my GTX 1070 gives horrible performance.) I'm not 100% sure if the bottleneck is CPU or GPU.

Thanks in advance!

oomighoo

RichardPGoulet
Hello,
BATOCERA will have more compatibility issues with recent graphics cards or chipsets.
It all depends on whether the latest GPUs are updated on Linux or not.
In fact, BATOCERA will have better performance with a good CPU regardless of the GPU.
Bye.

RichardPGoulet

oomighoo thank you for the reply! Maybe I won't upgrade it.

I must ask though- what kind of supercomputer is needed to emulate Wii? Last night I moved the Radeon 5450 and batocera dive in into my workstation, Ryzen 5 1600x 3.9 ghz, and Mario Kart Wii performed identically to the old e8600 🙁

DinDon83

At a moment, I think too much power won't help anymore, the problem should be the emulator, and how it works.

For the graphic part, I'm trying to test every GC I can found to see what's better or worse.
Actually, I have a GT610 1Gb, and it's quite good with my A4-5000 on PS1, but for Gamecube & N64, it's quite horrible...

joinski

I tried several GPUs and tested them mainly with Gamecube (Mario Kart Double Dash!!):

Radeon HD 7750 (CPU Pentium G3220) - System very slow, even Main Menu is extremely slow... unusable

Radeon HD 6310 (CPU AMD E350) - Slowdowns even with native resolution, not really usable

nVidia ION GeForce 9400 (CPU Celeron SU2300) - Slowdowns even with native resolution, not really usable

Nvidia GeForce GTX750 (CPU Pentium G3220) - Slowdowns even with native resolution, not really usable

Intel HD Graphics 2000 (Pentium G630) - runs ok with some minor slowdowns here and there at native resolution. With higher resolution than 1.5x you get massive slowdowns

Intel HD Graphics 2500 (CPU Celeron 1037U) - runs ok with some minor slowdowns here and there at native resolution. With higher resolution than 1.5x you get massive slowdowns

Intel HD Graphics 2500 (Pentium G1610T) - runs good and almost 100% smoothly at native resolution (slowdowns only at presentation ceremony). With higher resolution (1.5x ore more) you get massive slowdowns

Intel HD Graphics GT1 (CPU Pentium G3220) - runs good and smoothly at native resolution, higher resolution (1.5x or more) you get slowdowns

Intel HD Graphics 4000 (CPU Core i5-3427U) - runs good and smoothly at native resolution, higher resolution (1.5x ore more) you get slowdowns

Intel HD Graphics 4600 (CPU i7-4770T) - runs very good. Resolution up to 720p (2x native) runs smoothly (but with higher resolution you get some slowdowns)

Intel HD Graphics 5000 (CPU Core i5-4250U) - runs very good. Resolution up to 720p (2x native) runs smoothly (but with higher resolution you get some slowdowns)

Intel HD Graphics 515 (CPU Core m7-6Y75) - runs good and smoothly at native resolution and almost 100% smoothly at 1.5x resolution. With higher resolution than 1.5x you get slowdowns

Intel HD Graphics 530 (CPU Pentium G4500) - runs very good, even with 2.5x native resolution (1600x1320) smoothly (with 1080p you get some slowdowns)

RichardPGoulet

joinski Interesting, thanks for the info! I actually run double dash and several other Game Cube games (native res.) at constant 60fps using e8600 3.33 ghz, and Radeon HD 5450. I tried an old 8800 Ultra 768mb, and it can't keep up. I think it may be too little vram.

I tried installing Windows 10 & Dolphin (stable 5.0) on the same system- and openGL performs almost identically with Wii. With directX 11 however, I can play Mario Kart Wii fairly smoothly. Not quite 100%, but much better than OpenGL. The only other card I can test is GTX 1070 which can run Wii in 4k in DX11, but the card is almost unusable in Batocera.

DinDon83

RichardPGoulet Did you had issues with wrong MD5 for BIOS on 5.14 ?
I was on 5.13 and I had upgraded to 5.14 and installed BIOS that were working, on 5.14, Batocera tells me that MD5 is wrong with BIOS.

On 5.14 I have better performance on some games without BIOS (those games weren't working on 5.13 with BIOS), but they're almost all working on 5.13 with BIOS, so for now I stay on 5.13.

joinski thanks for the kit list ! 🙂

joinski

RichardPGoulet
With your e8600 3.33 ghz and Radeon HD 5450 you can run Mario Kart Double Dash at native resolution smoothly at 60fps with Batocera?

I just tested my Radeon HD 7750 again (Pentium G3200, 4GB RAM) and i do not even get 1fps

RichardPGoulet

That's strange! Perhaps some compatibility issue with the GPU? I've played many times, even with 4 players on all levels including the unlocked Special Cup, and never had any issue.

joinski

Which Batocera Version do you use?
Can you tell me what kodi says under system info, video (graphics)?

RichardPGoulet

5.14, but have been playing GC since 5.11 or 5.12 I think?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Y0N1vbQNJ8CdoIRo1

joinski

RichardPGoulet
Thanks, i think i found the cause for the bad performance of my HD 7750.
Here what kodi says in my systeminfo, video:

GPU: softpipe
OpenGL vendor: VMware, Inc.

So i think it is a driver/compatability issue with Radeon HD 7750

RichardPGoulet

Oh wow! You're probably running on software emulation then 🙁

RichardPGoulet

DinDon83 Actually I do have MD5 errors for the PSX roms now! I haven't tried playing any though, so I am unsure how performance is affected.

DinDon83

I had the same issue, MD5 weren't the same for PSX on both files on 5.14 (3 files if I remember).
Performance weren't as bas, but better with BIOS files on 5.13.

DinDon83

FYI.
I read that It was better to have an Intel Integrated Graphics because of the code, graphics and performance are better with Intel instead of having an external Graphic Card.
Yesterday, I tried a Dell Vostro 3250 with i3-6100, 4Go DDR4 and HD Graphics 530 integrated.
It was working as hell, every games with no lags (Gamecube, PSX, N64, etc.).
I will try with my Gaming PC (i7-4770s without my GTX 1060) if it's good too, if if yes, I will have to sell my AMD APU and buy an Intel Mini ITX motherboard with integrated Intel Graphics.